Rail--did you really say these things about your new Guv??
"arnold is a baby killer and a puppet, we need to get rid of Suvs and corporate greed."
"Arnold drives a hummer, and does steroids, and has used the N word a bunch of times, guy has no chance."
Good to have that Cali insight with regard to Arnie,Rail--if it had of been a hoss race he would have won by the length of the stretch--hell,-the rest of the field would have been still at the clubhouse turn when he hit the wire!!
Lmao at you shit for brains!!!
"arnold is a baby killer and a puppet, we need to get rid of Suvs and corporate greed."
"Arnold drives a hummer, and does steroids, and has used the N word a bunch of times, guy has no chance."
Good to have that Cali insight with regard to Arnie,Rail--if it had of been a hoss race he would have won by the length of the stretch--hell,-the rest of the field would have been still at the clubhouse turn when he hit the wire!!
Lmao at you shit for brains!!!
"This is a mandate by the heavily democratic voters that socialism is dying and that liberalism is dead..it dosen't work never has."
Hello, republican or not Arnold supports gay rights, and is pro-choice, that's lib.
"liberalism is dead..it dosen't work never has"
Hello, liberal protests led to the end of segregation.
Hello, liberal protests got us out of vietnam.
Hello, liberal Clinton left behind a government surplus after ray-gun, bush1 phucked the economy.
Hello, liberals Carter and Clinton help our international image while tyrants Ray-gun and bushes phucked it up.
Hello a lib is going to have to do the clean up and damage control once this clown bush2 is finally gone.
The cycle is more like this...
Convers take power, rob from the poor to give to the rich, screw over social programs and public education, and squander funds on military spending and the war on drugs, act as world bullies increasing anti-U.S. sentiment.
Libs come into power start damage control, try to restructure taxes so those that should pay more, the rich, do, try to invest in society and education, try to pratice international diplomacy.
Conservs get back into power start making a mess again.
Libs get back in start clean up again.
Excepting how bad Carter on pretty much everything but international diplomacy, That's basically been the vicious cylce in my life time.
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Hello, republican or not Arnold supports gay rights, and is pro-choice, that's lib.
"liberalism is dead..it dosen't work never has"
Hello, liberal protests led to the end of segregation.
Hello, liberal protests got us out of vietnam.
Hello, liberal Clinton left behind a government surplus after ray-gun, bush1 phucked the economy.
Hello, liberals Carter and Clinton help our international image while tyrants Ray-gun and bushes phucked it up.
Hello a lib is going to have to do the clean up and damage control once this clown bush2 is finally gone.
The cycle is more like this...
Convers take power, rob from the poor to give to the rich, screw over social programs and public education, and squander funds on military spending and the war on drugs, act as world bullies increasing anti-U.S. sentiment.
Libs come into power start damage control, try to restructure taxes so those that should pay more, the rich, do, try to invest in society and education, try to pratice international diplomacy.
Conservs get back into power start making a mess again.
Libs get back in start clean up again.
Excepting how bad Carter on pretty much everything but international diplomacy, That's basically been the vicious cylce in my life time.
[This message was edited by kaya man on October 08, 2003 at 03:01 PM.]
I feel bad for you libs, last night must have been terrible in the Arnold and Republican but kicking.
I think I know how you feel after last night.
Your to big to start crying but it hurts to bad to laugh. My advice is to start getting use to it. Liberalism is dying fast as the silent majority of Americans are now making it a point to get to the election booths. You libs only have yourselves to blame.
That being said, have a nice day!
I think I know how you feel after last night.
Your to big to start crying but it hurts to bad to laugh. My advice is to start getting use to it. Liberalism is dying fast as the silent majority of Americans are now making it a point to get to the election booths. You libs only have yourselves to blame.
That being said, have a nice day!
JP, In some ways this was a victory for liberalism if you think about it.
Majority of Californians overlooked the bulls**t family values thing to elect a governor who had a record of sexually harassing women,
Secondly, the California electorate obviously upheld the ACLU left wing liberal sector by showing their support for Arnold's "admiration for Hitler" quotes.
And supported by various members of the Kennedy clan no less.
JP, the libs are insiduously invading your party - one cannot be too vigilant.
Majority of Californians overlooked the bulls**t family values thing to elect a governor who had a record of sexually harassing women,
Secondly, the California electorate obviously upheld the ACLU left wing liberal sector by showing their support for Arnold's "admiration for Hitler" quotes.
And supported by various members of the Kennedy clan no less.
JP, the libs are insiduously invading your party - one cannot be too vigilant.
He is in the republican party because he is conservative fiscally. He wants lower taxes as this will attract businesses, he wants to get rid of government wasteful spending.
What I would guess you are insinuating is that he is a social liberal. He is only stating things like pro choice now because it is the ****ing law of the land. If the Supreme Court ever had the guts to look repeal Rose v. Wade he would have to follow suit. If the federal government states that killing babies is wrong then Arnold would have to go along and it is my opinion that he would happily do so.
As far as the reports by the LA Times it wasn't overlooked by the people of California - it was EXPECTED by the people of California. He states out front that he would be accussed of being a womanizer on the Tonight Show with Jay Leno. People let him slide because they understand actors and actresses and how rowdy movie sets can be! Afterall he did not rape anyone did he? He did not commit perjury did he? he did not try to decieve the people of California did he? We all have a few things in our past that if we were to run for political office on the republican ticket the demis would make sure was known the week before the election. Remember how the DUI came up the week before Bush was elected. The republican are going to do the same a couple weeks before the general election and tell the American people that weapons of mass destruction have been found in Iraq, Iran, and Syria.
Some people admired hitler I huess like some admired jack the Ripper. Hell, I'll admit, I admired clinton for the support he had from our now exposed and dying liberal media. Doesn't mean I thought he did anything right.
Gay rights - Again he supports the law. What the f*ck is gay rights anyway?
I think it is kinda odd that Ted Kennedy's niece is married to this guy. But it doesn't bother me in the least, as it is Arnold who has to live with her, not me.
What I would guess you are insinuating is that he is a social liberal. He is only stating things like pro choice now because it is the ****ing law of the land. If the Supreme Court ever had the guts to look repeal Rose v. Wade he would have to follow suit. If the federal government states that killing babies is wrong then Arnold would have to go along and it is my opinion that he would happily do so.
As far as the reports by the LA Times it wasn't overlooked by the people of California - it was EXPECTED by the people of California. He states out front that he would be accussed of being a womanizer on the Tonight Show with Jay Leno. People let him slide because they understand actors and actresses and how rowdy movie sets can be! Afterall he did not rape anyone did he? He did not commit perjury did he? he did not try to decieve the people of California did he? We all have a few things in our past that if we were to run for political office on the republican ticket the demis would make sure was known the week before the election. Remember how the DUI came up the week before Bush was elected. The republican are going to do the same a couple weeks before the general election and tell the American people that weapons of mass destruction have been found in Iraq, Iran, and Syria.
Some people admired hitler I huess like some admired jack the Ripper. Hell, I'll admit, I admired clinton for the support he had from our now exposed and dying liberal media. Doesn't mean I thought he did anything right.
Gay rights - Again he supports the law. What the f*ck is gay rights anyway?
I think it is kinda odd that Ted Kennedy's niece is married to this guy. But it doesn't bother me in the least, as it is Arnold who has to live with her, not me.
Yes exactly on some social issues Arnold leans more lib.
Economically I don't know where he stands although I did hear something stupid about balancing the budget while lowering taxes so I guess he's going to take up magic.
As far as the womanizing, again who cares. It's a non-issue, has nothing to do with how well or poorly he's going to do his job. To my knowledge JFK, Jefferson, Franklin and Washington were all womanizers.
As far as Maria and Arnold I think it's more than likely a her putting up with him situation.
Economically I don't know where he stands although I did hear something stupid about balancing the budget while lowering taxes so I guess he's going to take up magic.
As far as the womanizing, again who cares. It's a non-issue, has nothing to do with how well or poorly he's going to do his job. To my knowledge JFK, Jefferson, Franklin and Washington were all womanizers.
As far as Maria and Arnold I think it's more than likely a her putting up with him situation.
These arguments are typical all or nothing stuff. Most people actually hold similar beliefs to Arnold. However, politics is all about extremism now. In an open election like this one was, where parties didn't choose the candidate so that it got narrowed down only to the candidate each party's hardcore approved choice. Probably won't be an election like this again, but it was refreshing to see. This very issue is why I doubt you will ever see Arnold go further than where he is now. The Republican party would skewer him in a national election, they would rather lose with an unelectable guy that sticks to the hardcore's principles than get a guy that actually interests the huge middle ground.
Don't you guys find it a little odd to be discussing Arnold Swartseneger (sp?) as even an option for one of the most well known states in the u.s.? I mean, look at him, the guy could barely utter a three word line in a hollywood movie ten years ago, he's got minimal education, was a steroid abuser well known in the bodybuilding world, he's got no governmental or other administrative experience. For christ sake the guy played terminator. I would wager that around 2/3 of the adult over 45 population of cali are much more capable of running the state. Actually, i would wager that your local political science turned pizza delivery major is more fit to govern.
I ve said it again, and as per usual my arguments got miscontrued. We do get the same thing in Europe sometimes, a well known actor or singer or media persona running for office and getting elected, but with a few important distinctions. Most of them actually getting in office, are people, that besides their fame and wealth are of some educational and intellectual stature, not some former steroid body building model. And even if say such a figure does get elected, it's usually in some unimportant post, not as governor of a state.
I mean this is in all good will and seriousness, don't you find it somewhat odd? It's mind boggling for an outsider to the u.s. to see terminator run a state, i mean what's next, hulk hogan for mayor of Manchester England, Jean Claude Van Dame for Colorado...?!?!?!?!???
I ve said it again, and as per usual my arguments got miscontrued. We do get the same thing in Europe sometimes, a well known actor or singer or media persona running for office and getting elected, but with a few important distinctions. Most of them actually getting in office, are people, that besides their fame and wealth are of some educational and intellectual stature, not some former steroid body building model. And even if say such a figure does get elected, it's usually in some unimportant post, not as governor of a state.
I mean this is in all good will and seriousness, don't you find it somewhat odd? It's mind boggling for an outsider to the u.s. to see terminator run a state, i mean what's next, hulk hogan for mayor of Manchester England, Jean Claude Van Dame for Colorado...?!?!?!?!???
Yeah JackDee..Why don't they keep those elite highly intelligent condesending social and economic geniuses in office, so California can stay on the course to resemble Mexico instead of the 5th largest economy in the world?
Under the demo-marxist who had controlled every political office in the state,the capitilest were fleeing the state at an alarming rate...leaving the socialist to feed off themselves to the tune of 38 billion dollars in debt...if California succeeded from the union it would be a 3rd world country....And Arnold is a dumb bastard??
By the way Arnold got a majority of the woman and minority vote...which if you read between the lines is a total rejection of the democrat/socialist party and the LA Times, in a state that is about 80% registerd democrat.
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Under the demo-marxist who had controlled every political office in the state,the capitilest were fleeing the state at an alarming rate...leaving the socialist to feed off themselves to the tune of 38 billion dollars in debt...if California succeeded from the union it would be a 3rd world country....And Arnold is a dumb bastard??
By the way Arnold got a majority of the woman and minority vote...which if you read between the lines is a total rejection of the democrat/socialist party and the LA Times, in a state that is about 80% registerd democrat.
[This message was edited by Patriot on October 10, 2003 at 12:05 PM.]
Jack, did you forget the porn star that got elected in Italy?
I agree Jack in some ways that it is crazy he was the one to win, but without his celebrity and outsider stance it would be hard for someone to be in his situation. If you had Arnold's views without his built-in popularity, you could never make it as a Republican. I think Wes Clark is going to find that out the hard way, you can slighly step off to the side at times if the party really wants to win, but if you aren't like them and don't kiss the same asses as they do then forget it, they won't let you get anywhere. I think that is why I made a big deal about this election being good, no primaries because that would have gotten McClintock the nomination.
I agree Jack in some ways that it is crazy he was the one to win, but without his celebrity and outsider stance it would be hard for someone to be in his situation. If you had Arnold's views without his built-in popularity, you could never make it as a Republican. I think Wes Clark is going to find that out the hard way, you can slighly step off to the side at times if the party really wants to win, but if you aren't like them and don't kiss the same asses as they do then forget it, they won't let you get anywhere. I think that is why I made a big deal about this election being good, no primaries because that would have gotten McClintock the nomination.
like i said the porn star was just an in joke for the italian parliament, no real position of power, wish she had one though... lol!
i wholeheartedly agree with most of what you are saying bill, and btw nice hockey capping articles on the front page, but still, it goes a long way to show the poor level of our political life, when you need the public image to back up someone's views, whilst, the real deal would be that, someone's political stance would endorse and foster their public appeal. but, that's the way it is, like you say, i still hope it wasn't, and at some point it won't be that way...
i wholeheartedly agree with most of what you are saying bill, and btw nice hockey capping articles on the front page, but still, it goes a long way to show the poor level of our political life, when you need the public image to back up someone's views, whilst, the real deal would be that, someone's political stance would endorse and foster their public appeal. but, that's the way it is, like you say, i still hope it wasn't, and at some point it won't be that way...
Typical liberal can't argue with facts so you have to start with name calling...Well listen **** face.Try to dispute anything I said.
I admit Arnold is a cartoon character,but at least he has character,and I would never vote for him myself, I would voted Mclintok.Personally I wish Bustamnate would have won so it would have taken Cal. further in the toilet,till the people and the media and hollywood elite would finally smartin up.
I admit Arnold is a cartoon character,but at least he has character,and I would never vote for him myself, I would voted Mclintok.Personally I wish Bustamnate would have won so it would have taken Cal. further in the toilet,till the people and the media and hollywood elite would finally smartin up.
and what exactly did you say? That callifornia would resemble (ultra capitalist and fascist) mexico if run by some high minded individuals, that cali was once run by democrats who were marxists too, that Swartseneger (sp?) got the woman and minority vote, how the fvck can i can i make sense out of all that shit, and what the fvck have they got to do with the point i made on this guy being unfit to govern and a mere public persona?
"I admit Arnold is a cartoon character,but at least he has character,and I would never vote for him myself, I would voted Mclintok."
well in at least this line in your next post made sense, a rare phenomenon.
"I admit Arnold is a cartoon character,but at least he has character,and I would never vote for him myself, I would voted Mclintok."
well in at least this line in your next post made sense, a rare phenomenon.
If California is such a "commie" state then why in the world are we not ranked #1 in taxes? Yes, part of the problem is enviromental extremism and that needs to change and our educational system is a nightmare in which only 20% of each dollar reaches the classroom. Oh Arnie refused to touch that, wuss. We are soooo anti-business, yet due to Prop 13 taxes paid to corporate property is VERY low. In regards to workman's comp and medical coverage issues a major detriment to that problem is NOT trial lawyers as people usually allege but a much more sinister evil no one seems to mention, INSURANCE COMPANIES. Oh gee, who were the biggest contributers to Arnie's campaign? Guess who! Why do you think the illegal aliens liscene's issue was pushed thru, to sell more insurance. Gee, I don't see Insurance Companies rushing out of this state. Not going thru with the car tax is a HUGE mistake as somehow someway, unless there is a major recovery in the economy, Arnold will need to raise taxes. What this state and country needs is a Federally regulated Insurance Industry among other things of course.
